Do Tier 3 BCs kick Sniper HACs out of usefulness?
The question is certainly one of importance because there has been a sizeable market for Sniper HACs, particularly Muninns and Zealots. The concern over this has caused somewhat of a stir in the Eve Community and bloggers have gone to the internets to voice their opinions. Ripard Teg makes some of the clear points as to why this is the case here in his blog: http://jestertrek.blogspot.com/2011/12/thought-experiment-eagle.html.
So, are Eve pilots right to be concerned?
Well, let’s analyze the problem first, because the answer may be more convoluted than informative. The release of the Tier 3 battlecruisers was in response to the need to be able to participate better against capital and supercapital ships in combat fleets. This move was combined with changes to supercarriers, titans, fighters, and bombers. The resulting plan was to give new pilots the capacity to join major fleets and not get immediately erased or have to bow out because they couldn’t bring anything of note.
The Tier 3 Battlecruisers thus have the following advantages:
- High DPS due to the use of Battleship class weapons and bonuses.
- Low Skill requirements for the Tier 3 BC which allows a new pilot to be useful in about a month.
- Lower cost of manufacturer means that new pilots won’t have to expend as much isk to be combat ready.
These advantages were to be countered by some pretty strong disadvantages:
- Lower PG and CPU causing the ships to have smaller than BC typical tanks
- Battlecruiser sized Signature radius
- Battlecruiser class Scan resolution
- Battleship Class weapons maintain tracking levels and signature resolutions
- Battlecruiser mass and speed making it more difficult to move and escape
Technically, the advantage/disadvantage ratio still allows for Sniper HACs to have a role in combat field operations. Ships like the Muninn, have a similar sized tank but have smaller signature radius and fly faster. Their base ship hulls also give them better tracking and better locking options, which in turn, make them more viable against a wider variety of targets. The weaker tank of the Tier 3 Battlecruisers also make them vulnerable to non-typical fleet ships like Assault Frigates, Sniper HACs, Short Range HACs and Cruisers. So definately on paper this looks like a very balanced addition to the EVE.
But is it? That is the harder question and one that really can’t be answered until more time has passed. The reason for this two fold: First, Sniper HACs do have some significant advantages over the Tier 3 that aren’t often utilized in Fleet battles. For example, one such advantage is the Sniper HACs ability to lock and fire sooner and quicker than the Tier 3 Battlecruisers, while having similar BS level damage. The other reason is based on how fleets and individual pilots move within those fleets. If you have two contending fleets, a pilot well knows that at long range, your ability to go fast isn’t going to do you much good, but at close range it could be a vital aspect. The reverse is also true in that just because you have a high rate of transvelocity to one enemy ship, another ship on the other side of the enemy fleet may see your transvelocity as almost nil, allowing you to be hit even by large Battleship turrets.
Now, going on a bit of theorycrafting here.. I will say that I do not think the Tier 3 Battlecruisers actually take the Sniper HACs role, but I will say that the definitiveness of the Sniper HAC will not be seen clearly until FC figure out tactics that can seperate them. Oddly enough, I don’t think it would be all that hard because Sniper HACs can do what Tier 3 Battlecruisers do and more, and it isn’t the other way around. I actually wouldn’t be surprised if FCs kept the two groups seperated though, mixing the Tier 3 BCs with Battleships and keeping Sniper HACs as an entity of their own, for use in taking out enemy Tier 3 BCs quickly.
But again, that is just theory. We’ll see what the truth of combat will bring.
The Vagabond – The Pure Essence of Minmatar
Vagabond (noun) – 1. A person without a permanent home who moves from place to place. 2. A vagrant, a tramp. 3. A wanderer, a rover.
According to gaming lore the Vagabond, a heavy assault cruiser, was developed by the Thukker. Thukkers are a tribe of the Minmatar who wander in a large fleet and call no planet their home, thus the Vagabond an appropriate name for something they designed. The ship is very fast, giving it the ability to control range on the battlefield at will and mounts a formidable offense as well. The unique blend of characteristics in the Vagabond has made it one of the most popular ships to fly in Eve and became an early example of developing fleets based around a single ship type. Earlier in Eve Online, Vagabond fleets roamed 0.0 with impunity, their speed at the time was so great that it actually played havoc with game mechanics and it was simply impossible to shoot them down.
Time has pressed on since those days, but the vitality of the Vagabond has not left it. It isn’t uncommon to still see small fleets of Vagabonds roaming 0.0 or low-sec, or the occasional pirate or scout speeding through system after system looking for their intended target. Despite all sorts of game changes, the Vagabond remains a major force in the Eve space.
Now, just for the record, I am a so-so Vagabond pilot. My personality style is more defensive than offensive, so I tend to fly slower, but better armed and better tanked ships. With that said, however, I believe that every single Minmatar pilot, every.. single.. one.. should train to fly this ship and to fly it well. It is something that I am working on.
For those of you unfamiliar with how to set up a Vagabond, or even how to fly one. Rest assured, it is probably one of the least difficult ships to configure and if you are good at flying interceptors, you will be good at flying Vagabonds. The configuration of Vagabonds really comes down to two basic forms, primarily based on the type of Autocannon: The 220mm Version and the 425mm Version.
220mm Version – Effective and Versatile
The 220mm Version of the Vagabond looks something like this:
Highslots:
5x T2 220mm Vulcan Autocannons
1x Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Midslots:
2x T2 Large Shield Extenders
1x T2 Warp Disruptor
1x Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive
Lowslots:
1x T2 Damage Control
2x T2 Gyrostabilizers
2x T2 Tracking Enhancers
Rigs:
2x Medium Polycarb Engine Housing I
Drones:
5x Warrior IIs
This is pretty much the de facto standard for a 220mm fitted Vagabond. Personally, I prefer more tank, so I’ll drop one of the Polycarb rigs for a Shield Extender Rig. Others have suggested dropping a Polycarb for Ambit rigs, which is a possibility as well. Another option is to remove the Neutralizer and replace it with a Heavy Missile or Heavy Assault Missile Launcher. The effective hitpoints for this particular configuration runs just under 24k. The Neutralizer option is good if you are working solo or in small gangs where reducing the ability for your enemy to repair, fire, or run might overreach your ability to blast past their tank. In larger gangs, the DPS of a Missile Launcher might be a better option.
The 425mm Version – Stronger and Scarier
The 425mm Version is the heavier hitting configuration and it looks much like this:
Highslots:
5x T2 425mm Autocannons
1x ‘Arbalest’ Heavy Missile Launcher
Midslots:
1x T2 Large Shield Extenders
1x T2 Invulnerability Field
1x T2 Warp Disruptor
1x Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive
Lowslots:
1x T2 Damage Control
2x T2 Gyrostabilizers
2x T2 Tracking Enhancers
Rigs:
2x Medium Polycarb Engine Housing I
Drones:
5x Warrior IIs
Essentially, you are dropping a power hungry Shield Extender and Neutralizer, for better resists and better damage. Much like the 220mm Version, I’d prefer to remove at least one of the Polycarbs for a Shield Extender Rig to improve tanking performance. At the stage, the difference between the two tanks EHP wise is minimal, though the 220mm version is more forgiving to those with less than ideal fitting skills.
As far as flying the Vagabond, it literally should be flown like just like an interceptor. Stay outside of 10km from your target (preferably between 15 and 20km), manually orbiting and watching him to make sure he doesn’t catch up with you on an orbit run. Speed is a big part of your tanking ability. Usually you will want to have plenty of Barrage and RF EMP/Phased Plasma ammo with you as both ACs go through quite a bit of. Barrage should be your first choice when attacking because it increases your falloff range, making your shots hit more often and with more consistant damage. If your current gunnery skills aren’t good enough for your weapons to successfully track your target, then switch out a Gyro for another Tracking Enhancer.
All in all, the Vagabond embodies the essence of Minmatar shipbuilding design. It’s fast, it’s dangerous, and it’s effective. It has earned its place in the annals of Eve Online history..
.. and there is no good reason why you shouldn’t know how to fly it.
The Amarrian Zealot – Pride of the Fleet
When a person mentions the word “AHAC”, the basis of that conversation is likely around the Zealot. The Amarr HAC is probably second in popularity only to the Vagabond and boasts effective setups in close range and long range configurations. I’ve flown this ship myself on many occasions both with the Panic! fleets of old Providence and with the recently dethroned Northern Coalition and have a healthy respect for seeing fleets of Zealots in action.
The Zealot combines a set of very impressive offensive attributes, that when combined with the natural bonuses inherit in the Tech II advancements and cruiser hulls, make it a very formidable ship to field. With the advent of afterburner fit fleets, the Zealot comes into its own as it is able to field a very strong armor fit coupled with the best Tech II weapons available. Here are some of the advantages the Zealot brings to the field:
- 10% bonus to Medium Energy Turret Capacitor use, per level.
- 5% bonus to Medium Energy Turret Rate of fire, per level.
- 10% bonus to Medium Energy Turret Optimal Range, per level.
- 5% bonus to Medium Energy Turret damage, per level.
- Five Highs, Three Mids, Seven Low slot arrangement.
[Zealot, Close Range - Armor]
Damage Control II
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Reactor Control Unit II
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II
10MN Afterburner II
Stasis Webifier II
Warp Disruptor II
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Energy Burst Aerator I
[Zealot, Sniper Fit - Armor]
Reactor Control Unit II
800mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Tracking Enhancer II
Adaptive Nano Plating II
Damage Control II
Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive
Sensor Booster II, Targeting Range
Warp Disruptor II
Heavy Beam Laser II, Aurora M
Heavy Beam Laser II, Aurora M
Heavy Beam Laser II, Aurora M
Heavy Beam Laser II, Aurora M
Heavy Beam Laser II, Aurora M
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Swiss Army Muninn
When one thinks of Minmatar HACs, the common response is: “Vagabond, and that other one.” The Vagabond, by and far, is the most popular Minmatar HAC, if not the most popular HAC period. The reasons are rather obvious: It’s relatively easy to fit. It’s OMGWTF fast (though not as fast as it used to be) and manuverable. It is somewhat effective solo, but is very effective in packs. The standard tactics using the typical Vagabond fit mimic that of the interceptor, so training for one is comparatively easy.
But what of his brother, the Muninn. Well, the Muninn suffered from several problems right from the very beginning. For starters, all the HACs were classified into two categories: Close-Range and Sniper. Since the Vagabond had gained popularity by being a close range gunboat, the naturally left the Muninn to be designated the Sniper. However, Minmatar Artillery in general just wasn’t on par with any of the other weapon systems, so its damage was very lackluster. In addition, the slot fitting arrangement are just..well, strange. While it has seven high slots, it can only fit 5 with turrets.. and lacks the powergrid to fit most support high slot weaponry. The midslots are another enigma as the resists clearly show that it should be shield tanked, having only three midslots makes for a fairly weak tank considering that one of the midslots is dedicated to a MWD.
So, is the Muninn a lost cause? Well, simply, no. The Muninn has started coming into its own with the ammo and weapon changes brought about by the Dominion expansion and has started to carve out its own little niche in roaming gangs. But, it is still hamstrung by the belief that it is a “Sniper” HAC. Remember, the Muninn gets many of its benefits from the legendary Rupture hull, which is still seen often in PVP, and usually is in a close range PVP setup. So, let’s look at it’s strengths:
- Seven High Slots (5 turrets/2 missile) versus the Rupture’s Six High Slots (4 turrets/2 missile)
- (edit: Removed because of memory error – both the Muninn and the Vaga have five low slots)
- Balanced Shield resists
- 30% increased Base armor over shield and 30% more than the Rupture’s armor.
- 25% Bonus to Medium Projectile Turret RoF (5% per level)
- 25% Bonus to Medium Projectile Turret Damage (5% per level)
- 50% Bonus to Medium Projectile Optimal Range (10% per level)
- 37.5% Bonus to Medium Projectile Tracking Speed (7.5% per level)
So, what does this mean to the person trying to decide what to do with his Muninn, which is gracefully spinning at the station? It means that you have choices. While the Optimal Range bonus tends to benefit Arties over ACs, it’s certainly not a down side to ACs to have better optimal range. Even though fighting in Falloff is supposedly the Minmatar trade mark, anything you can do to raise your optimal is a good thing. Both Arties and ACs benefit greatly from improved tracking, rate of fire, and damage. So really, the choice comes down to what you plan on doing:
HAC Roaming Ranged Variant – The following configuration is one I think would be effective in conjuction with Vagabonds and Scimitars. While not able to have tackle, it certainly can help fend off ranged attacks, or add some serious ranged damage to “retreating” of “kiting” tactics. The downsides are the relatively low ROF and the loss of use of two High slots. These two high slots can be used for things like Cloaking devices, Drone modules, or small remote reppers depending on tactical need. The only thing I would suggest would be that your drones be using only in defense, or in assistance to other ships like interceptors. This configuration can be adjusted pretty liberally depending. Replacing the T2 Invulnerability field for a Sensor Booster, for example, would help in raising the targetting range to be more useful with Tremor.
- High Slots: 5x 720mm T2 Howitzers (Tremor M for Range, Fusion M or EMP M for close range work against larger targets, Titanium Sabot M for dealing with faster targets)
- Mid Slots: 1x MWD, 1x T2 Invulnerability Field, 1x T2 Large Shield Extender
- Low Slots: 2x T2 Gyros, 1x T2 Damage Control, 1x Signal Amplifier, 1x Reactor Control Unit
- 5x Warrior IIs
- Rigs to suit taste
HAC Roaming Strike Variant – This configuration is primarily to act as a more robust version of the Rupture. Not generally accepted by many FCs, usually because of the aforementioned belief that the Muninn is only capable of being a sniper fit. This variant works better armor tanked and I was able to get an effective (EFT numbers) EHP of 33,000+, without impacting the signature radius. The downside is that speed and agility do take a hit. I tend to use Heavy Missile Launchers over Heavy Assault Missile Launchers for a couple of reasons, the first is that faction ammo is much easier to find for Heavy Missiles and at my skill level for missiles, the Heavy Missile’s ability to do damage outside of my AC range is a nice addition. Alternately, if you plan to be operating far from home, replacing one of the missile launchers with a small or medium remote armor rep would be a good idea.
- High Slots: 5x 220mm T2 Vulcan ACs, 2x “Arlesbest” Missile Launchers
- 1x T2 MWD, 1x Web (or TP), 1x 24km Distruptor
- 2x T2 Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane, 1x T2 Gyrostabilizer, 1x T2 Damage Control, 1x 1600mm Rolled Tungsten Armor Plate
- 5x Warrior IIs
- Rigs to taste, but preferably either Explosive and Kinetic Armor Pumps, or Trimarks, or Projectile Aeroator rigs (in general, ROF rigs give more DPS than damage rigs do)
It should be noted however, that as a close range platform, it is hard to see the difference of using the Muninn over the classic 1600mm plate fit Rupture. It is a good argument and it has merit. The Muninn is better in that it can have the 1600mm plate, more and better guns (Quadrupale bonused guns…) and missile systems, without sacrificing the tank. But, is it 100mil isk better? That is completely up to you.
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